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Who Are "The Speakers"?

This discussion is a response to Sabine's question on the "comments" section where she asks, " Seth mentions the "speaker consciousness" quite a bit and I was curious how others here perceive this. Does anyone here relate to the speakers? How do you think 4d, 5d etc speaker consciousness relates to us in 3d? "

My short answer was simply that Speakers Speak. They are communicators. But then I started thinking about what exactly do they communicate.

So I went to the book Seth Speaks, and found the following on "The Speakers." Anything you want to discuss about Speakers, or being a Speaker, or what exactly is being communicated....anything you want to add to the discussion....is welcome!

The methods, the secret methods behind all of the religions, were meant to lead man

into a realm of understanding that existed apart from the symbols and the stories, into

inner realizations that would take him both within and without the physical world that

he knew. There are many manuscripts still not discovered, from old monasteries par-

ticularly in Spain, that tell of underground groups within religious orders who kept

these secrets alive when other monks were copying old Latin manuscripts.

There were tribes who never learned to write in Africa and Australia who also knew

these secrets, and men called "Speakers" who memorized them and spread them

upward, even throughout northern portions of Europe, before the time of Christ.

Offhand, the work involved could take five years, for there were several versions, and

a group of leaders, each going in different directions, who taught their people. The world

was far more ripe for Christianity than people suppose, because of these groups. The

ideas were "buried" already throughout Europe.

Many important concepts were lost, however. The emphasis was on practical

methods of living - quite simply - rules that could be understood, but the reasons for

them were forgotten.

The Druids obtained some of their concepts from Speakers. So did the Egyptians.

The Speakers predated the emergence of any religions that you know, and the religions

of the Speakers arose spontaneously in many scattered areas, then grew like wildfire

from the heart of Africa and Australia. There was one separate group in an area where

the Aztecs dwelled at a later date, though the land mass was somewhat different then,

and some of the lower cave dwellings at times were under water.

Various bands of the Speakers continued through the centuries. Because they were

trained so well, the messages retained their authenticity. They believed, however, that it

was wrong to set words into written form, and so did not record them. They also used

natural earth symbols, but clearly understood the reasons for this. The Speakers,

singly, existed in your Stone Age period, and were leaders. Their abilities helped the

cavemen survive. There was little physical communication, however, in those days

between the various Speakers, and some were unaware of the existence of the others.

Their message was as "pure" and undistorted as possible. It was for this reason

however, through the centuries, that many who heard it translated it into parables and

tales. Now, strong portions of Jewish scriptures carry traces of the message of these

early Speakers, but even here, distortions have hidden the messages.

Since consciousness forms matter, and not the other way around, then thought

exists before the brain and after it. A child can think coherently before he learns

vocabulary - but he cannot impress the physical universe in its terms. So this inner

knowledge has always been available, but is to become physically manifest - literally

made flesh. The Speakers were the first to impress this inner knowledge upon the

physical system, to make it physically known. Sometimes only one or two Speakers

were alive in several centuries. Sometimes there were many. They looked around them

and knew that the world sprang from their interior reality. They told others. They knew

that the seemingly solid natural objects about them were composed of many minute

consciousnesses.

They realized that from their own creativity they formed idea into matter, and that

the stuff of matter was itself conscious and alive. They were intimately familiar with the

natural rapport existing between themselves and their environment, therefore, and

knew that they could alter their environment through their own acts.

Generally speaking, once a Speaker always a speaker, in your terms. In some

incarnations, the abilities might be used so powerfully that all other aspects of the

personality remained in the background. At other times the capacities might be timidly

used. The Speakers possess an extraordinary vividness of feeling and thought pro-

jection.

They can impress others with greater import through their communications. They

can move from inner to outer reality with easy ability. They know instinctively how to

use symbolism. They are highly creative on an unconscious level, constantly forming

psychic frameworks beneath normal consciousness that can be used both by

themselves and others in dream and trance states. They often appear to others in the

dream condition, and they help dreamers in the manipulation of inner reality. They

form images with which the dreamers can relate, images that can be used as bridges

and then as gateways into kinds of consciousness more separated from your own.

The symbolism of the gods, the idea of the gods on Olympus, for example, the

crossing-over point at the River Styx - that kind of phenomenon was originated by the

Speakers. The symbolisms and frameworks of religion, therefore, had to exist not only

in the physical world but also in the unconscious one. Outside of your own framework,

houses as such or dwellings as such are not needed, and yet in trance encounters or

dream encounters with other realities, such structures are frequently seen. They are

transformations of data into terms that will be meaningful to you.

After death, for example, an individual may continue to create these - masses of

individuals may - until they realize that the frameworks are no longer necessary. The

Speakers were not confined in their activities, therefore, to waking consciousness. In all

periods of your time they went about their duties both in the waking and sleep state.

Much of the most pertinent information, in fact, was memorized by trainees during the

dream condition, and passed on in the same manner. These unwritten manuscripts

therefore were also illustrated, so to speak, by dream journeys or field trips into other

kinds of reality. Such training still goes on. The particular psychic or story framework

may vary. For example, conventional images of the Christian God and the saints may be

utilized by the Speakers, with all of this highly vivid. The dreamer may find himself then

in a magnificent harem, or instead in a brilliantly illuminated field or sky. Some

Speakers confine their abilities to the dream state; and, waking, are largely unconscious

of their own abilities or experience.

Now it is meaningless to call such dreams or dream places hallucinations, for they

are representations of definite "objective" realities that you cannot perceive as yet in

their own guise. The Egyptian religion was largely based upon the work of the Speakers,

and great care was given to their training. The outward manifestations given to the

masses of the people became so distorted, however, that the original unity of the

religion finally decayed.

However, efforts were being made then to map inner reality in ways that have not

been attempted since. It is true that in the dream state and in some other levels of

existence close to your own, there is strong individual play in the creation of images,

and a magnificent use of symbolism, but all of this takes place, again, in an "objective"

definite environment, an environment whose characteristics make such phenomena

possible - a field of activity, then, with its own rules. Now the Speakers are familiar with

those rules, and often serve as guides. They have at times worked within organizations

as in Egypt, where they worked through the temples and became involved with the

power structures. As a rule, however, they are far more solitary.

Because of the true simultaneous nature of time, they are, of course, speaking to all

of your ages at once through their various manifestations. On occasion they also serve

as mediators, introducing to each other two incarnations of one personality, for

example.

The rules within physical reality say that objects appear to be stationary and

permanent. The rules of other realities are often far different, however. The nature of

mental activities will follow different lines, and "continuity" in terms of time will not

exist. Perceptual organization will exist by the use of different psychological groupings.

From the outside, such systems would seem meaningless to you even if you were

able to perceive them. You would not be able to observe the pivot points about which

actions occurred. The very definite rules of that system then would be quite obscure to

you.

Now the Speakers are familiar with the rules within many systems. Still, however,

most of these systems in larger terms are somewhat connected with your own kind of

reality. There are an infinite number of inner universes. Only the very highest, most

developed gestalt consciousness can be aware of anything like their totality. In this

larger context, then, the Speakers must be called local. There is something like a chart

mapping many of the nearby systems of reality, and I hope some day in your terms to

make this available. In order to do so, Ruburt must be trained somewhat more

intensely. There are points of coincidence where under certain conditions entry may be

made from one of these systems to the other. They need not exist separately in space as

you know it, of course.

These are called coordination points, where one camouflage merges into the other.

Some of these are geographical in your system, but in all cases, a tuning-in of

consciousness is a necessary preliminary. Such entries can only be made in an out-of-

body condition. Each individual in his dreams has access to the information possessed

by the Speakers. There are adjacent states of consciousness that occur within the sleep

pattern, that cannot be picked up by your EEG's - adjacent "corridors" through which

your consciousness travels.

The higher centers of intuition are activated while physically oriented portions of

consciousness remain with the body. The "absent" portion of the self cannot be traced

through brain patterns, though the point of its departure and the point of its return

may show a particular pattern. The "time out" itself, however, will not be detected in

any way, the tracings showing only whatever characteristic pattern was being given

immediately before departure.

Now this happens in every night's sleep. Two areas of activity are involved, one very

passive and one acutely active. In one state this portion of consciousness is passive,

receiving information. In the next stage it is active as it takes part through action - the

concepts given it are then vividly perceived through participation and examples. This is

the most protected area of sleep. The rejuvenating characteristics enter in here, and it is

during this period that the Speakers act as teachers and guides.

This information is, then, often interpreted on return by other layers of the self such

as the body consciousness and subconscious, where it is formed into dreams that will

have meaning to these areas of the self and where general teaching, for example, may

be translated into practical advice involving a particular matter.

There are several very definite stages of sleep, and they all perform various services

for the personality. They are also signals for different layers of consciousness,

realization, and activity. They are accompanied by some physical variations, and there

are some variations having to do with age.

In our next chapter I will speak of these in some detail. For now it is sufficient to

realize that specific steps, definite alterations, occur as consciousness is shifted from

the exterior to the interior reality, and that these changes are not random; that

consciousness leaves through a very predictable route to its many destinations.

Through the ages the Speakers have taught dreamers how to manipulate in these other

environments. They have taught them how to bring back information that could be used

for the good of the present personality. According to the intent, present purpose, and

development, an individual may be aware of these travels to varying degrees. Some have

excellent recall, for example, but often misinterpret their experience because of

conscious ideas.

It is very possible for one dreamer who is a Speaker, to go to the aid of another

individual who is having some difficulties in an inner reality within the dream state. The

idea of guardian angels of course is highly connected here. A good Speaker is as

effective within one reality as he is within the other, creating psychic frameworks within

physical reality as well as within interior environments. Many artists, poets, and

musicians are Speakers, translating one world in terms of another, forming psychic

structures that exist in both with great vitality - structures that may be perceived from

more than one reality at once.

There are also various states of consciousness in waking life, upon which you do not

focus, and of which you are usually quite unaware. Each state knows its own

conditions and is familiar with a different kind of reality.

"You" presently have a once-centered consciousness, in that "you" close off from your

experience these other stages of consciousness in which other portions of your entire

identity are intimately involved. These other stages of consciousness create their own

realities as you create your own. The realities are, therefore, byproducts of

consciousness itself. If you could become aware of these, they might appear to be other

places to you, rather than realms or fields of different kinds of activities. If you probe

into these realms you will be forced to perceive them with the root assumptions of your

own system, translating feelings of warmth and comfort, for example, into images of

warm shelters or buildings, or feelings of fear into images of demons.

On occasion even in waking life a personality may spontaneously shift gears, so to

speak, and suddenly find itself for a second or perhaps a few moments within another

such realm. Disorientation usually occurs. There are those who do this quite

deliberately with training, but often they do not realize that they are interpreting the

experiences they have with the values of their "home" consciousness.

All of this is not as esoteric as it might seem. Almost every individual has had bizarre

experiences with consciousness, and knows intuitively that their greater experience is

not limited to physical reality. Most dreams are like animated postcards brought back

from a journey that you have returned from and largely forgotten. Your consciousness

is already oriented again to physical reality; the dream, an attempt to translate the

deeper experience into recognizable forms. The images within the dream are also highly

coded, and are signals for underlying events that are basically not decipherable.

The Speakers help you in the formation of dreams which are indeed

multidimensional artistic productions of a kind - dreams existing in more than one

reality, with effects that dissect various stages of consciousness that are real, in your

terms, to both the living and the dead and in which both the living and the dead may

participate. It is for this reason that inspirations and revelations are so often a part of

the dream condition.

Divorced from physical focus, you are in a better position to hear the Speakers, to

translate their instructions, to practice with the creation of images, and to be guided in

the methods of maintaining the health of the physical body. In the most protected areas

of sleep, the apparent barriers between many layers of reality vanish. You are aware, for

example, of some probable realities. You choose which probable acts you want to

actualize in your system. You follow other probable acts through in the dream state.

You do this individually, but you also do it en masse on national and global levels.

Consciousness at different levels or stages perceives different kinds of events. In

order to perceive some of these you have only to learn to change the focus of your

attention from one level to another. There are minute chemical and electromagnetic

alterations that accompany these stages of consciousness, and certain physical changes

within the body itself in hormone production and pineal activity.

You usually glide from wakefulness through to sleep without ever noticing the

various conditions of consciousness through which you pass, yet there are several.

First, of course, with various degrees of spontaneity, there is the inward turn of

consciousness away from physical data, from worries and concerns of the day. Then

there is an undifferentiated level between wakefulness and sleep where you act as a

receiver - passive but open, in which telepathic and clairvoyant messages come to you

quite easily.

Your consciousness can seem to float. There are varying physical sensations,

sometimes of growing large, sometimes of falling. Both sensations are characteristic of

moments in which you almost catch yourself, almost become aware of this

undifferentiated area, and then translate some of its experiences into physical terms.

The sensation of largeness, for example, is a physical interpretation of the psychic

expansion. The feeling of falling is an interpretation of a sudden return of

consciousness to the body.

This period can last for only a few moments, for half an hour, or can be returned to.

It is a cushioning, supportive, and expansive stage of consciousness. Suggestions given

during this time are highly effective. Following this period there is an active state, that

can occur, of pseudodreaming, where the mind busies itself with physical concerns that

have managed to cling through the first two stages.

If these are too vigorous, the individual may awaken. This is a vivid, intense, but

usually brief stage. Another undifferentiated layer follows, this time marked quite

definitely by voices, conversations, or images, as consciousness tunes in more firmly to

other communications. Several of these may compete for the individual's attention. At

this point the body is fairly quiet. The individual will follow one or another of these

inner stimuli to a deeper level of consciousness, and form into light dreams the

communications he is receiving.

Somewhere during this time he will go into a deeply protected area of sleep, where he

is at the threshold to other layers of reality and probabilities. At this point his

experiences will be out of all context to time as you know it. He may experience years

though only minutes have passed. He will then return toward physical reality in an area

marked as REM sleep by your scientists, where physically oriented dream productions

will be created, putting the knowledge he has gained into use. The cycle would then be

repeated. Almost the same kinds of fluctuations and stages occur even when you are

waking, however, though you are even less aware of them because then the egotistical

self acts quite purposefully to blanket out these other areas of experience.

The precise stages are present beneath waking awareness, however, and with the

same chemical, electromagnetic, and hormonal fluctuations. You simply are not aware

of what your consciousness is doing. You cannot yourselves keep track of it for five full

moments of your time. The dimensions of it can only be sensed by those determined

enough to take the time and effort required to journey through their own subjective

realities. Yet intuitively each individual knows that a part of his experience escapes

from him all the time. When you suddenly cannot remember a name that you should

know, you have in essence the same kind of feeling of which you are always

subconsciously aware.

The purpose of the Speakers is to help you correlate and understand this

multidimensional existence, and to bring as much as possible of it to your conscious

attention. Only by learning to feel, or sense, or intuitively perceive the depths of your

own experience can you glimpse the nature of All That Is. By becoming more aware of

your consciousness as it operates in physical life, you can learn to watch it as it

manipulates through these other less familiar areas. Probable realities are only

probable to you because you are not aware of them.

These stages of consciousness are all a part of your own reality. A knowledge of them

can be most useful. You can learn to "shift gears," stand aside from your own

experience, and examine it with much better perspective. You can prepare questions or

problems, suggesting that they be solved for you in the sleep state. You can suggest

that you will speak with distant friends, or convey important messages that you cannot

convey verbally, perhaps. You can bring about reconciliations, for example, at another

layer of reality though you cannot do so in this one.

You can direct the healing of your body, telling yourself that this will be

accomplished by you at one of the other levels of sleep consciousness, and you may ask

for the aid of a Speaker to give you any necessary psychological guidance that is needed

to maintain health. If you have particular conscious goals and if you are reasonably

certain that they are beneficial ones, then you can suggest dreams in which they occur,

for the dreams themselves will hasten their physical reality.

Now unconsciously you do many of these things. You often go back In time, so to

speak, and "relive" a particular event so that it has a different ending, or say things that

you wish you had said. A knowledge of one state of consciousness can help you in other

states. In a light trance the meaning of dream symbols will be given if you ask for them.

The symbols may then be used as methods of suggestion that will be tailored for you

personally. If you discover, say, that a fountain in a dream represents refreshment, then

when you are tired or depressed, think of a fountain. In another layer of reality, of

course, you will be creating one.

In the most protected areas of sleep you are dealing with experience that is pure

feeling or knowing, and disconnected from both words or images. As mentioned, these

experiences are translated into dreams later, necessitating a return to areas of

consciousness more familiar with physical data. Here a great creative synthesis and a

great creative diversification takes place, in which any given dream image has meaning

to various layers of the self - on one level representing a truth you have lived and on

other levels representing this truth as it is more specifically applied to various areas of

experience or problems. There will be a metamorphosis, therefore, of one symbol

turning into many, and the conscious mind may only perceive a chaos of various dream

images, because the inner organization and unity is partially hidden in the other areas

of consciousness through which the reasoning mind cannot follow.

The unconscious and subconscious areas, however, are aware of much more of this

information than the ego, for it receives only the minute residue of dream material as a

rule. The Speakers therefore may appear within dreams as historical characters, as

prophets, as trusted old friends, or in whatever guise will impress the particular

personality.

In the original experience, however, the true nature of the Speaker is apparent. The

production of dreams is as "sophisticated" an endeavor as is the production of the

objective life of a given individual. It is simply living on different terms.

These various stages of consciousness and fluctuations of psychic activity can also

be examined through direct experience from the waking state. In the following chapter

we will let you become more aware of these ever-active portions of your own reality.

(From Seth Speaks, end of Chapter 17)

full text of Seth Speaks:

https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-56rRUG-ov0xn05ih/Jane%20Roberts%20-...

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